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#1 Posted : 16 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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 Hi
 

 Does anyone have any experience of a Professional Indemnity claim against a First Aid Trainer?

 

 Also for a new business how much cover would you expect to need fopr P.I.? (Obviously as much as possible is preferable but just as an idea?...)

 

 
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#2 Posted : 17 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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No knowledge of any claims, but look for around £3 - £5m
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#3 Posted : 18 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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get as much as possible and it also depends what your clients require
we do a lot of local authroity work nd they require £10m employers, £5m public and professional

 

 
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#4 Posted : 18 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Thanks, do you have any basis for quoting that figure?

 

It seems that First Aid Training and the sylabus is well documented and whereas people that offer eg design advice give a more subjective view. I would be interested to know how P.I. risk is calculated for the First Aid Industry.

 

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#5 Posted : 18 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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I don't know of any claims but regarding how much from experience larger companies (oil / construction industry, chain stores etc.) have insisted on £5M as a minimum.  Smaller, independent or local businesses / community groups etc are less likely to stipulate.
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#6 Posted : 18 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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We have a few claims going through. Worst luck they are unlikely to get to Court and will be settled out of Court as it’s cheaper for the underwriters to pay up than to go to Court and win!

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#7 Posted : 18 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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I’m about to send out an email regarding policy cover. I would recommend that because of claims are being made years after the event, you need to make sure your insurance will still cover it – heres the draft version:



Insurance terms – what does it mean and does it matter?


Do you know the difference between ‘claims made’ and ‘claims occurring’? If not, you should do as it is one of the most important ‘small print’ items that effects you insurance cover – see below.


Professional Indemnity – This covers claims where you have given professional advice which was found to be wrong. For example:


You state that an employer requires a first aid room costing £10,000. Where in fact they only required a first aid box for £20!


Medical Malpractice:


This covers a range of medical practices, for a trainer this could be teaching an incorrect procedure that causes injury to casualty. Omissions in training or even injury to the trainee when say practicing CPR on a manikin. For a first aider, this would cover injury to a casualty when carrying out first aid, or omissions in first aid treatment.


Public Liability:


This is the odd one, as it’s nothing to do with your skills; it’s the bull in the china shop syndrome. So this would cover say if you accidently knocked over your clients TV when carrying out training.


Claims Made: 


Any claim must be made during the period you are insured. So if a claim is made once your policy has expired, the claim would not be honoured. However, some insurers may cover this if you remain insured with them.  But what happens when you shut your business or retire?  With the no-win-no-fee solicitors, more and more claims often occur years after the ‘event’  Hence if you do not continue paying your insurance you likely to be personally liable for any claim! So do you want to pay for expensive policies years after you have finished trading, probably not. The answer is ‘Claims Occurring’


Claims Occurring:


This is THE important part of any policy, this means that as long as the ‘incident’ occurred during the insured period, the claim would be covered even if it was raised years after the event – even if you are no longer insured! This in effect overcomes the major personal liability of the ‘Claims Made’ (above).


The insurance we promote is a Zurich policy designed for first aid and health and safety trainers, first aiders and medi

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#8 Posted : 19 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Thanks for the reply Admin.
 

 Could you possibly clarify a few points?

 

 I was under the impression that claims`against Professional Indemnity could only be made  in respect of  advice given and that PI claims could not be made against bodily injury?

 If this is correct then many FA related claims would be null and void surely?

 

Whilst I appreciate the need for 5/10 million cover in respect for Public Liability and Employers Liabilty can any one give examples of why such a huge cover should be required re PI for First Aid Training ?

 

The Premiums you have quoted are very low compared to other Ins companies Admin Smile .Does that premium include PI. PL AND EL plus Ins tax ?
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#9 Posted : 23 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Its been five days since I posted above and its still 'pending' ?
 

Just wondering if there is a problem with the content or just a "time" issue?

 

 
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#10 Posted : 26 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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MP470  - Sorry for the delay showing your posts - it's easy to miss by the Moderators.


 


You are right, PI would not cover injury. It would be unlikely that a PI claim in first aid would ever reach this amount (£5/10M).


Prices include:


Medical Malpractice


Professional Indemnity


Public Liability


Underwriters - Zurich


24Hr Legal advice


Accountancy Advice


Full HMRC Tax investigations


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#11 Posted : 26 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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PS. If you wish to pay more, then this is acceptable.
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#12 Posted : 26 April 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Thanks Admin, doubt I will take you up on your second offer though but nice try all the same Wink
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