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Coroner has concerns about first aid training
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#21 Posted : 26 May 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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very, very sad case, however, as mentioned, some innacuracies in the coroners report regarding abdominal thrusts, but that is not something for me to get into - wasn't at the training, don't know what was or wasn't taught.
 

I teach Paed FA, on a small scale, but I know I am up to date & that I assess my learners during training through practical & Q&A (at the end of a section & at the end of the training session) & over 12 hours - am I LA approved - NO - do I need to be - it appears not in S Wales (here comes the Welsh fraternity to say I'm wrong) - the nurseries have been inspected by both LA & CSSIW & both are happy with the training provided - even questioned the learners on what I covered - & I put on the back of certs exactly what was covered beyond an EFAW course - so if regulatory authoritories are happy, then so am I.

 

I am NOT a hobby trainer - it is my income to the household, but, due to childcare, I am limited to the days I teach - does that make me a bad trainer - NO - I can research & update myself when not working & set time aside monthly to do just that.  Did I learn from books - well 22 years as a student & qualified nurse should answer that, with a background ranging from domiciliary care to ITU gives me a broad range of experience.

I have issue with people setting up with a couple of cheap manikins, no QA from the certificating authority, no real life experience (in hospital or out) just a 'train the trainer' cert & no answers for the awkward questions, but won't admit to it & go away & get the answers from here or elsewhere.

As sad is it may be for some trainers, it is getting to the point where you may have to prove being an HCP, a VAS member or other frontline worker, who is regularly updated, so that these people who have little real experience, are removed from the industry, therefore driving up standards.
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#22 Posted : 26 May 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Safeinmyhands
 

You highlight some interesting points.

My gripe is not with people on this site as generally by being a member here shows a level of proffessionalism that is sadly lacking by the hobby trainers that I complain about.

 

You are right about people going for the cheaper/freind option and this is fine when you are talking about work around the house etc. The problem is when somebody who offers their services without the backing of the employing company produces a sub standard service.

 

Take the electrician example, what would happen if after the visit a problem occured and your house burnt down  - who would you turn to for redress or compensation?

 

In all honesty I dont blame these trainers, in and out easy money which generally is not offered to HMRC for tax purposes. The problem lies with large sectors of industry taking up these cut price courses and not checking the level of service and aftercare support they should recieve.

 

Sadly until a defined set of competencies and proactive enforcement is implemented the only factor which really sways a decision is "what is the minimum price I have to pay to get a certificate".
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#23 Posted : 26 May 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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Hello, firstly may I appolagies to anyone who may have been offended by anything that I have posted.
My intension was to point out that not all trainers who deliver FA training as a second income as long as they are properly registered as self employed and pay the NI and tax that they should and insure themselves. I also believe that if they want to be taken seriously then they also need to deliver relevant and up to date training in a proffesional and competant manner and should be able to deliver the training without referance constantly to a manual or a script. Thanks. 
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#24 Posted : 27 May 2011 00:00:00(UTC)
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It seems that a common theme is wanting a consistant set of competencies and regulations for all to abide by.  I would suggest that one way of achieving this is regulation.  OfQual and SQA accredited awarding organisations are obliged to do this.  Is this the way ahead?  Many would say so.  I'm not saying high standards can't be achieved by providers who aren't regulated, but we all want the cowboys out, so is there a better idea?
 

Going back to the OP and coroners talking about tummy thrusts, do you remember the coroner in the lifeguard case in the north-west talking about bring back pulse checks to determine if CPR should be carried out?  Sad to say it, but coroners don't always know what they are talking about.
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