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In the last two months I have broken 2 Laerdal Juniors. The thin white plastic inside the chest has snapped at the end rendering the doll useless. The first was replaced under warranty and the second will follow shortly. Am I just an oaf or has anybody else experienced this problem?
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I've never had that problem with any of the dolls, maybe a bad batch or perhaps heavy handed? I do tend to disconnect the clicker too, as I dont like the idea of teaching compressions to a specific sound and depth etc. I've never met a casualty with a clicker in the chest, or lights on the forehead as some dolls do.
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Marty B, I've been having the same problem. Please see reply that Simulaids in the USA have sent out; Hope this helps, “Simulaids
June 27, 2011
CHEST
PLATE BEING REPLACED In the Brad style,
adult CPR manikins by Simulaids there is a white, plastic chest plate that is
used to stiffen the construction, which creates a more difficult resistance to
overcome while doing compressions. The chest plate is a Simulaids' detail that
ensures the compression difficulty of the manikin matches that of a like sized
human. The chest plate feature has been tested independently and has been found
to exactly mimic the resistance of a human chest. This important feature of the
Brad manikins has under gone considerable testing over the last few months and
we are changing the material from which we manufacture the
product.
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I agree scazzer, also the clicker is bloody annoying!! Have seen that a replacement part is readily available which indicates to me that this is relatively common. My only thought was that after the 2010 guideline changes with the emphasis on depth and quality of compression that the dolls were a bit weak to cope. My other problem is that when I demonstrate on the adult dolls I show the candidates crap CPR by pressing too soft to be ineffective and too hard which will cause damage, I therefore cannot do this on the juniors as I get the breaking sound so can only tell them what not too do rather than show them.
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Thanks for that Marty. I was RAF reserfves for some time before being mobilised, and we had our annual CCS day, which involved "first aid", nowhere near as involved as HSE courses, but they did insist on this damn doll that lit up when you provided breath, and users had to meake mouth seal and support the head and twist their face to see the lights, either red, amber or green. Red usually elicited such quaint and supportive phrases as "YOU DOZY $%*&^...." If it didn't click, you were banished to the naughty corner. After sitting down with the instructor and finding out he'd only ever done courses, never hands on, I explained there are many subtle differeneces to theory and real life. After this heart warming discussion things carried on exactly as before.
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Scazzer, I must protest.........
Well maybe not, I spent 24 years in the RAF Regiment 13 of those as an instructor, I am forced to agree that in some situations you would come across instructors that had never had to put what they were teaching in to practice, and they did tend to be the rather loud and sometimes obnoxious ones, there were however many instructors who had put their teachings in to practice and its amazing how well people learn when you tell them a gory story and demonstrate how to deal with it. I still do that today in my teaching.
As for lights on dolls, I disconnected them as soon as I could, the sight of someone doing perfectly competent CPR only to be put off by a stupid flashing red light just because their hand was not exactly where it should be or the compression was half a mil out was more than annoying.
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I would agree, the indicator on manikins should be disabled once the person has judged the depth. Otherwise the trainee concentrates on the indicator not the chest compressions.
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Originally Posted by: Marty B  In the last two months I have broken 2 Laerdal Juniors. The thin white plastic inside the chest has snapped at the end rendering the doll useless. The first was replaced under warranty and the second will follow shortly. Am I just an oaf or has anybody else experienced this problem? Yes, I too have had this happen. Do bear in mind that the curved piece of plastic just operates the 'clicker', so you can still continue to use it, it just won't click. As mentioned in other replies, with the new guidlines on CPR, the 'clicker' makes a noise way too soon now & shouldn't be used anyway as much more pressure is now required.
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Originally Posted by: Steve R [quote=Marty B;64874]In the last two months I have broken 2 Laerdal Juniors. As mentioned in other replies, with the new guidlines on CPR, the 'clicker' makes a noise way too soon now & shouldn't be used anyway as much more pressure is now required. At risk of being pedantic and taking away from the point of the thread. With child CPR it is a third of the depth, just as before, so it is the same pressure, so you'd hope Mr Laerdal took this into account when he made them. With adults, it is now 5 - 6cm whereas it was 5cm before, so the click should happen at 5cm, but 6cm would be okay. (Exact wording "....at least 5cm (but not exceeding 6cm)").
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