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#1 Posted : 06 September 2011 14:42:14(UTC)
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Im pondering...........If i buy or already own certain pieces of equipment and then go self employed in 5 months (random timeframe)...  can i transfer the equipment easily to the business, or will mr taxman suggest ive been self employed for 5 months (or longer) because i had purchased equipment and consumables??



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#2 Posted : 06 September 2011 21:26:13(UTC)
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I would say that you purchased the items in reediness for going self employed and use the full amount as start up expenses to offset any tax liability. 
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#3 Posted : 06 September 2011 23:08:16(UTC)
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Get an accountant now before you do anything. 
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#4 Posted : 07 September 2011 00:46:57(UTC)
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If you go VAT-registered, I believe the time-frame is three months for vat-claims
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#5 Posted : 07 September 2011 07:44:46(UTC)
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Speckles-It is good advice but not all accountants give good sound advice and don't know the tax rules/laws well. I believe money spent on starting a business can be counted but I think you need to inform HMRC before the purchase that it is being brought with the intention of starting a business. You could ask HMRC but then even the HMRC don't fully understand the tax rules/laws and any advice HMRC give can not be relied upon should they have given you wrong advice unless you have been very clear and given full information to HMRC in writing and they have provided a written opinion. (please see http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pdfs/info-hmrc.htm



HMRC are not very helpful unless the question is easy but if you require any particular technical advice then HMRC or an accountant is not always the best option so what ever you do do your research and hope you get it right.



I would suggest you consider belonging to one of the 3 associations that represent the first aid industry and use a service that many accounts offer and that is an insurance cover which covers you for HMRC visits and compliance activity etc (even admin may offer this type of insurance) 



Just to show how confusing HMRC advice can be just read the following Regulation concerning teachers & trainers, then read HMRC advice and statement then visit this website http://www.trainfirstaid.co.uk  



Hope you find this helpful, Richard



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#6 Posted : 07 September 2011 08:32:05(UTC)
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Firstly, you may be able to put the equipment into the business. However your accountant may deduct 1st years depreciation, but it’s still worth doing.


Unless your sales will be greater than £73,000 (??) then it’s not normally financially worthwhile to register for VAT.  The exception to this is if you only do / majority of the work is with other businesses.


VAT registered business do not pay vat. VAT is just a pointless loop; you charge your customer and pay it to HMRC. You customer then claims the same amount back from HMRC. The only ones who pay VAT is Joe public.


So if you are VAT registered and deal with the public you have to charge an extra 20%. If you are not VAT registered, your prices can be either 20% (ish) cheaper or make an extra 20% profit.


The other argument for being VAT registered is that you can claim back VAT on purchases.  However, you also have to charge VAT on your sales.


Now here’s a thought. If your purchases are greater than your sales, are you are insolvent?

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#7 Posted : 07 September 2011 15:19:05(UTC)
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I did exactly that and purchased the manakins some months before setting up the buisness. My accountant simply made put them down as a buisness assett so no problems at all.
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but is your account correct and perhaps he should have put them down a a start up expense fully allowable in year one.


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#9 Posted : 07 September 2011 22:33:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mediaid Go to Quoted Post
but is your account correct and perhaps he should have put them down a a start up expense fully allowable in year one.






Accountant is a family member working for large firm so gets all advice required.  To be honest left gave her figures and left her to it, however now you mention it I think you might be right with her taking it as a business start up expense so looked it up.

They were added in as an asset on the first year accounts, and as I bought them before starting the business were counted as part of a directors loan.  This can now be paid back from the company to me at a time of my choice.
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#10 Posted : 08 September 2011 07:52:00(UTC)
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Just a note on accountants – horses for courses.


Accountancy like any other profession covers a very broad spectrum of skills so you need to select an accountant who specialises in the appropriate discipline, i.e. small business taxation, small business advice etc. As this constantly changes you need someone who keeps up to date.  


For example, most solicitors deal with house conveying and divorces; this is their bread and butter. If you wanted say to defend a trademark action, then it is quite likely they would not know much about trademarks. (although they still might accept the work).


This is just the same with accountants. A lot of accountants are glorified bookkeepers and although they will know about taxation, this does not make them a tax specialist.


Keeping up to date is expensive and hence it is likely that the smaller practices cannot invest or afford the constant cost of training etc. And although you might ‘get on well’ with your accountant, it is often too late when you realise that the tax or business advice given was not right for you.


There are several posts in the forum on employment status and taxation relating to freelance trainers, it’s surprising how many accountants get it wrong.


Accountants, Solicitors etc give you opinions, it is your responsibility to accept it or not. It is also you who signs off the tax returns.


As a recommendation, you should do the day to day accountancy activities, i.e. sale, purchases and wages. This inherently keeps your eye on the financial position of your business. Get the accountant to assist and advise on end of year returns etc.


I know a person who runs a very small business and gets his accountant to do his wages each month including  a Tesco’s bag full of receipts, sales notes etc for him to deal with why, because  ‘he’s no good with paperwork’ .  This costs him a small fortune.


He’s also no good at running a business and is now so far in debt that his house is on the line.

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#11 Posted : 08 September 2011 10:09:38(UTC)
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well said admin- just because they are an accountant doesnt mean they know everything- trust me I've come across a few over the years!

i have one accountant who audits and signs off our accounts for companies house, another one I deal with on taxation and another one I deal with for business issues acquisitions etc

whether you offset your equipment in the first year or capitalise and then depreciate is actually your choice, not the accountants!
you as the business owner/director?? set a policy. as long as you adhere consistently to your policy there is no problem as long as it is not illegal- we P&L anything under £500 and capitalise over £500

as has been said, you need to have an understanding of running a business for yourself rather than relying on expensive advisors who may have a very narrow field of knowledge!!

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#12 Posted : 10 September 2011 09:55:51(UTC)
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