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HSE courses are NOT mandatory?
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#1 Posted : 10 February 2012 12:36:53(UTC)
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You may have received a copy of a letter from Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP Minister for Employment addressed to Ian Kershaw. This contains an interesting, but concerning paragraph as follows:



"Whilst HSE recognises the benefits of refresher training and re-qualification, there is nothing in the First Aid Regulations which legally requires first-aiders to refresh their training on an annual basis, nor is there a legal requirement for them to re-qualify every three years. Competence can be demonstrated in many ways and need not be exclusively classroom- based. "



This section has caused considerable concern to our members, as we have been informed over a number of years by the HSE First Aid Approvals & Monitoring Sections (FAAMS) that where an employer has identified the need for a first aider, training as defined by the HSE is required. This requirement (basically) is as follows:

 

1. Initial course (FAW or EFAW as required) - validity 3 years - mandatory requirement.

2. Requalification ever 3 years – mandatory requirement.

3. Yearly Refresher Course, not mandatory although HSE ‘ Highly recommended’. 

The letter quoted clearly contradicts this understanding.

 

I have written to the HSE Policy unit for clarification.



However, I don't think that this will matter in the long run as the Lofstead report is highly likely to replace this.



For information, I have a meetings with the HSE, Ofqual and the Federation of Awarding Bodies later this month to discuss the Lofstead report. If you have any comments, please let me know. 




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#3 Posted : 13 February 2012 21:24:15(UTC)
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The Government wants to reduce costs so they will remove the need for HSE approval, remove the need for requalifications and perhaps even the need for many organisations to provide first aid etc. This is going to have a major impact but this government wont listen and will continue to remove things. Lets face the Health reforms will happen, pensions in the public sector will be hit, those disadvantaged (the disabled, unemployed etc) will see benefits cut, |HS standards reduced (such as first aid). Cuts in the fire service are planned, the police, ambulance service and many others jobs at risk. I can see many trainers finding work drying up and saying why did it happen and I can tell you it will happen because you let. I have already been in contact with my MP and many others should/must but will it make any difference to the Government.



All 3 first aid bodies (AOFA, FACT & FOFATO) must get together and fight these changes. 



The ball is in all trainers and training providers court now. Act now  and save your industry or ignore the warning at your own peril.



It's 3 years till the next election and by then it will be too late.



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#4 Posted : 15 February 2012 16:03:40(UTC)
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I agree with Richard.  We all need to act now.  If you are not a member of one of the bodies, please join one and help to save our industry.  It is no use sitting about saying "someone should do something"  they should and it should be now, otherwise we will have loads of time to think about what we should have done when we have no jobs!  We have ssen this kind of thing happen time and time again to different industries.



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#5 Posted : 16 February 2012 12:53:06(UTC)
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The Following is from the HSE.



 



The law


6 The Health and Safety (FirstAid) Regulations 1981 require employers to provide suitable firstaid equipment, facilities and personnel to enable first aid to be given to employees if they are injured or become ill at work.1 Regulation 3(2) states that in order to provide first aid to injured or ill employees, ‘…a person shall not be suitable unless he has undergone



1 of 17 pages Health and Safety Executive



(a) such training and has such qualifications as the Health and Safety Executive may approve for the time being in respect of that case or class of case, and


(b) such additional training, if any, as may be appropriate in the circumstances of that case’.


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7 For employers to comply with this Regulation, their firstaiders must have a valid certificate of competence in FAW or EFAW, issued by a suitable training provider (see paragraphs 89).



Requirements for training organisations wishing to run firstaid courses for the workplace



FAW and FAW requalification



8 To run these courses, your organisation must be approved by HSE.






So where do we stand, because unless they change the law, then traiing proviers must be approved by the HSE and certificates are still only valid for three years. Therefor in order to requalifie then the First Aider must undergo requalification training.
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#6 Posted : 16 February 2012 13:01:01(UTC)
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They don't need to amend the law just the ACOP and that's what they (HSE/Government) intend to do.
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#7 Posted : 17 February 2012 13:27:58(UTC)
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In implement the Lofsted report, there will need to be a change in regulations.

The HSE has a duty to the employee / employer. There’s no duty or responsibility to keep the first aid training business afloat. Even if half the training providers go out of business, it’s not their problem.

The HSE has said for years that they don’ want to approve training providers, that’s why there was a move towards Ofqual awarding organisations. With Lofsted, the best hope is for the HSE to recommend that employees seek recognised / approved courses (or maybe even training providers, although approved courses and trainers tend to go hand in hand). The chances of anything more than just a ‘recommended’ is remote.

As you know, we not only ‘franchise’ but also are an Ofqual Awarding Organisation (AoFAQ). We are moving most ‘franchisees’ over to Ofqual now.

From an Ofqual Awarding Organisation point of view, our paperwork is mammoth. But for the training provider (Centre) it’s not over burdening. The Centre certainly has to jump through a few more hoops, but that’s not a bad thing. A considerable number of training providers (Centres) are already registered with awarding bodies, i.e for food hygiene, manual handling etc. Becoming a registered centre for first aid will not be a problem.

Further, the benefit is that once you are registered as a centre, you can offer a range of nationally recognised courses. – Not many training providers can survive on just doing first aid.
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#8 Posted : 21 February 2012 20:41:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: admin Go to Quoted Post

For information, I have a meetings with the HSE, Ofqual and the Federation of Awarding Bodies later this month to discuss the Lofstead report. If you have any comments, please let me know. 









How did the meeting go today Dave?
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