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Medical Events Cover - Nationwide
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#1 Posted : 02 April 2012 10:31:07(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 03 April 2012 17:01:00(UTC)
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Again, CQC registration??
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#3 Posted : 04 April 2012 11:13:52(UTC)
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TheATeam;67209 wrote:
Again, CQC registration??





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#4 Posted : 04 April 2012 11:56:25(UTC)
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Now I am definitely confused. How can you get CQC registration through "a trade body" ?   
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#5 Posted : 04 April 2012 15:50:00(UTC)
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Maybe the trade body should be informing its members of the laws???
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#6 Posted : 19 April 2012 21:43:43(UTC)
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Hi There,

I am just wanting to know if the CQC registration is for the whole of the UK and not just an England requirement.

Also I am thinking of just providing First Aid cover for small scale events - no ambulances or anything just on foot patrol and treating any causalities were we find them - Would I be required to register or not?

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#8 Posted : 25 September 2012 20:35:07(UTC)
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We (AoFA) have done some newsletters on First Aid and CQC registration. There’s lots of ifs, buts and maybes. But first aid cover (without transport) tends to fall outside CQC remits.
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#9 Posted : 26 September 2012 18:43:11(UTC)
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Why is it that since "CQC" came out, people are straight in for the kill to see if "ARE YOU CQC"...when they dont even know if it is actualy a requirement or not for the poster. I am NOT CQC registered, BECAUSE I DONT NEED TO BE!!! does that mean I give a substandard service..NO..does that mean I am not qualified..NO does that mean I cant do event cover..NO... does that mean I dont have the relevant insurance...NO
I pride myself that I have a great reputation in the Event cover area that I cover. I have a great training reputation. I give an excellent service to my community. So PLEASE..before you jump on anyone and assume just because they are not CQC..dont assume they are below you and doing anything wrong. By the way, I have recently spoken to CQC and had a long conversation with good results, and as have been said before, unless you are transporting patients, it is more than likely you wont need to register. It may be worth your while downloading a copy of the "Scope of Registration" and look at the requirements in depth, I have a copy and I always carry it for reference, even though I dont need to register.
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#10 Posted : 27 September 2012 16:35:32(UTC)
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medicdog;68367 wrote:
Why is it that since "CQC" came out, people are straight in for the kill to see if "ARE YOU CQC"...when they dont even know if it is actualy a requirement or not for the poster. I am NOT CQC registered, BECAUSE I DONT NEED TO BE!!! does that mean I give a substandard service..NO..does that mean I am not qualified..NO does that mean I cant do event cover..NO... does that mean I dont have the relevant insurance...NO

I pride myself that I have a great reputation in the Event cover area that I cover. I have a great training reputation. I give an excellent service to my community. So PLEASE..before you jump on anyone and assume just because they are not CQC..dont assume they are below you and doing anything wrong. By the way, I have recently spoken to CQC and had a long conversation with good results, and as have been said before, unless you are transporting patients, it is more than likely you wont need to register. It may be worth your while downloading a copy of the "Scope of Registration" and look at the requirements in depth, I have a copy and I always carry it for reference, even though I dont need to register.

All the very best.






People are asking if providers are CQC registered because in the majority of cases you DO need to be registered. Events that can run WITHOUT an ambulance and WITHOUT anyone trained higher than a first aider (Nurse, Paramedic or other healthcare professional) are very minimal therefor CQC registration is required in most cases. If you are strictly providing a basic first aid service without an ambulance then maybe you escape the jurisdiction but be warned - if it goes belly up its you who is stood in front of a coroner and he will want to know why how and if you were providing the services legally. I want all my i's dotted and my t's crossed!
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#11 Posted : 28 September 2012 16:32:06(UTC)
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Hi to everyone chill out folks.


We all have an opinion on this issue if you have paid close to a thousand pounds getting your registration then yes you want to and are entitled to use that registration to good effect, but please use it to market you service, if you want to use it like a weapon be ready for a return of fire.


If like me you are at the lower end of the food chain providing just first aid then why pay for something you don’t need? That money can be put into patient care.


What do you get from the CQC- a registration that’s all I can see?


I know of a local CQC firms who provide an abysmal service and I bet you do.


Within the service I provide I would have no hesitation in standing up in court, the role of a first aider is very clear, my feeling is are you happy to stand up in court providing your medical service, most of you will but others mabe not.
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Well put TLC. There are many of us in exactly the same position, who provide and have been providing a valuable service with good reputations. OK we might not be "Up there" with the big boys with all the bells and whistles and go faster stripes! but we all provide a level of service that we are comfortable with and good at.
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#13 Posted : 30 September 2012 12:20:46(UTC)
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i have spoken to the cqc regarding medical cover and they have said that any person registered with an authority (such as hpc) then they do have to be, however if they are just first aiders and giving basic first aid then apparently they do not need to be. however they are looking at covering them in the future, just to warn everyone. this isnt a dig or a slur in ANYWAY!!!!!its more of a warning just to let people keep their heads up incase:)
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#14 Posted : 30 September 2012 13:06:15(UTC)
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It would make sense if everyone at whatever level was registered. That would remove the anomoly "I'm only in an ambulance to bring all my kit/to sit in if it rains/to eat my sandwiches. Oh look, there is a serious and unexpected casualty who for humanitarian reasons I will convey to A&E. But I don't need to register with CQC for that"
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#15 Posted : 30 September 2012 17:46:08(UTC)
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I recall when we had someone from CQC to speak at our First Aid Forward conference. Not only was the audience confused, but by the end of it the CQC confused themselves.



The problem is that first aid is a broad term and not defined. In some ways I agree with JonAcc - All event cover providers should be CQC approved. Although this would make it more expensive, it would reduce competition making prices rise. But then at least there would hopefully be some money in the pot to reinvest in the business to maintain standards.
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#16 Posted : 30 September 2012 18:15:23(UTC)
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admin;68396 wrote:
I recall when we had someone from CQC to speak at our First Aid Forward conference. Not only was the audience confused, but by the end of it the CQC confused themselves.



The problem is that first aid is a broad term and not defined. In some ways I agree with JonAcc - All event cover providers should be CQC approved. Although this would make it more expensive, it would reduce competition making prices rise. But then at least there would hopefully be some money in the pot to reinvest in the business to maintain standards.






Exactly - and when the poo hits the fan and the cqc decide that you should've been registered after all??? Agree totally admin
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#17 Posted : 02 October 2012 22:28:37(UTC)
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If I want to be totally brutal the CQC is just a money making racket, if you will an extra tax on business, it fails to keep up with the workload that it has now, never mind all the small first aid teams etc,


Its inspectors know little to nothing about pre-hospital care and like stated on this forum they tie themselves up in knots, can’t answer simple questions.


The day might come when some of us small fish have to register and we will cross that bridge when we come to it, but for now I will use any spare cash on building a solid infrastructure.


I just want to point out that a CQC registered firm does a few of the small local horse jumping events, they turn up in an old RRV with one first aid kit bag and told me it’s not worth bringing all the main kit down, nothing ever happens ?????


No scoop, no immobilisation kit, no AED, no oxygen, just a few dressings, if that’s the CQC’s standards then I would rather be at my standard thanks.    


 

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Sorry to keep on I don’t want to offend anyone on the forum but I think I have swallowed a wasp, LOL


One of my chap’s did not turn up for an event and sometime later informed me that he had been working for a bigger provider one that was very proud to have CQC. He more or less told me how wonderful it was having ambulances and lots of exciting medical kit.


However this chap only has a FAW and come to me to gain experience he had helped out at some community events.


If he holds a FAW what is he doing working with advanced kit, my main point is what is a first aider doing working for a medical provider (CQC provider at that)


Time to spit that wasp out


For most of you good people on this forum who have CQC I feel sure that you provide very good standards of care, you must get frustrated at paying out all that money for the privilege of looking after the public at events. However be proud of your achievements and shout them from the hill tops and get your money’s worth.


  


 

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#21 Posted : 03 October 2012 16:43:48(UTC)
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I have no quibble with the comments about the standards of CQC inspectors, nor the concept that it is just a government employment scheme that becomes just another business tax. I agree they don't know what they are doing - witness the public statements that when we are visited we will not be asked for reams of policy papers as it is patient outcomes that are important, yet when they turn up the first thing they are asking to see is all your policy documents! If we haven't got the documents, they can't tick the box, so we get marked down. My comment last year that we got marked down because we did not have a document that said explicitly that crew must not steal from patients pertains!



But my point is that it is not a level playing field, so those of us who try to observe the law in both letter and spirit are disadvantaged by those who do not. We have been losing some of our work to unregistereds because they do not observe the standards we try to set ourselves. Yes, this would still happen if registration was not the law. But the fact is, it is the law, and if it was applied across all medical service providers, there would be no room to duck and dive. It would then be easier that where someone is identified as providing the medical service and not registered, they could at least be reported and maybe, just maybe, something would be done to remove them



Insofar as any registered service not coming up to standard, just use the hotline with their name and details of their event and coverage, and let's see if CQC actually do something about it.



If they don't, then that gives us all the option of sticking two fingers up and saying we don't want to stay in your club.
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#22 Posted : 03 October 2012 17:53:59(UTC)
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We are CQC registered. I do not see being registered puts me above non registered providers when supplying a couple of first aiders to an event which doesn't require cqc registration HOWEVER if we did provide a sub standard service all anyone would have to do is to contact the cqc with the complaint and they would investigate it. With a non registered company which does not need to be registered then where does the complainant go? We have strict policies in place brought in by the cqc which have to be adhered to. Who makes sure the first aid only providers are supplying a good service? No-one is the answer and nobody can do anything about it. The only time the cqc will get involved is if you are registered or if you should be registered and are not. Our clients like the fact that we are regulated by the same people who regulate the NHS service, its peace of mind that they will get a good service. 



TLC - If you know of a registered company not performing correctly then for goodness sake REPORT THEM!
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I have raised my concerns with the organisers of the horse shows and pointed out a few failing, however this has fallen on deaf ears and I may be just seen as someone who is bitter at not having this work.


The crew that attend the events do some other work for the organiser, putting up jumps and building the course, something that I am not prepared, or insured to do, it also has major implications on infection control.


I don’t feel like I want to throw stones at this time and dob people in to the CQC, I see failings in my own service but like you state at my level it is not regulated.


My failings are in equipment (I tend to borrow aed’s etc) but will put back any profits that I make into this type of equiptment. Also my policy documentation is a little poor.


However I do have risk assessments’ duty plans and reflective practice for all events that I cover.


My long term goal is to register at some point-however my gut feeling is that you are just paying for the right to practice.


That brings me on to a different subject but a valid one- FAW= a recognised industry first aid certificate.


Should we as a industry have an awarding body for event first aid certificates ??      

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