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#1 Posted : 25 May 2012 17:37:07(UTC)
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Hi,

I work in a licenced premises in Scotland - we are required to have first aid provision between 1am-5am as a mandatory condition of a liquor licence.

What first aid qualification is appropriate? (helpfully the legislation doesn't say)



The reason I ask is that we have a mixture of gigs and clubs, for the gigs we are required to put in place "event cover" by HSE so we have the Red Cross come in.  For the club nights however, which can be just as busy there is only me (anywhere from 200-1000 customers) - I have a first aid at work qualification. 



I think this qualification is wholly unsuitable, not many employees are drunk when they injure themselves at work - the last time I was required to see someone who had an obvious head injury I had no idea which symptoms were alcohol induced and which were caused by the fall.  I felt like an idiot calling 999 for them to turn up and say he was fine.

This isn't the only example, several people have fallen over the years, have experienced no pain (drunk hides everything), minimal swelling or bruising, only to be in agony when they are sober and be subsequently found to have broken something.  I could go on with many more examples all of which are common in clubs but weren't even covered in my first aid course - it is completely knocking my confidence and ability to cope with first aid incidents, is there a course that is designed for the hospitality trade??
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#2 Posted : 25 May 2012 22:58:56(UTC)
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jacqcald, welcome to the forum. Whilst I agree your qualification is not really suitable, it is the only nationally recognised qualification and whilst the HSE reconise that an FAW is not an appropriate qualification it doesn't say what is.



As for calling 999 that should not be a problem, you are a first aider it is not your place to make a diagnosis about a patient your job is to treat the injuries as you find them and allow more medically qualified staff to make an actual diagnosis. 



Lets be honest a lot of drunks that get taken to hospital are released soon after admission because they are just  a drunk with a banged head and even those that are kept in for observation are released the following morning with nothing worse than a hangover. But all of them have been diagnosed by a clinician, not a first aider. And even experienced clinician sometimes get it wrong. 


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#3 Posted : 25 May 2012 23:07:30(UTC)
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As for the number of first aiders to people attending then there are several bits of legislation that may apply but I don't know the systems in Scotland so can't really comment.



But in the sort of environment you are talking about first aiders should really work in pairs. 



Firstly for your own safety (both in the physical sense, but also when drunk a says I don't want treatment walks outside and collapses at least there is a witness to what happened, but remember "if it isn't written down it didn't happen") secondly it cut downs the chances that you will be accused of anything inappropriate. and thirdly it gives you someone to talk to about concerns you may have.
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#4 Posted : 28 May 2012 15:23:38(UTC)
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As for the more 'advanced' courses, you could go on a course such as the FPOS level 1 or 2.

If you don't think this sort of course would still be suitable than I might suggest Doorman / Security Guard Advanced First Aid Training which is more 'tactical medical incidents' training.



Level 2 course is rather good and includes more advanced skills than FAW such as Medical Gases and Defibrillation.



I would always recomend multiple first aiders in any enviroment, as the HSE state that extra provision is needed incase of holidays or sickness leading to no first aid cover.



Kind Regards.
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