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#1 Posted : 02 July 2012 21:48:56(UTC)
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Hi All,



I'm in the process of having a new response bag made for me and am hearing mixed information regarding Velcro I have been told that CQC will be outlawing it at some point in the foreseeable future but also been told that it is fine to use on the inside of the bag. One of the options that has been suggested as an alternative to Velcro is to use a magnetic system but there seems to be some questions surrounding this and Oxygen but my understanding is that the type of magnet that will be used that used for holding things to the fridge will have no effect on Oxygen. 



So was just wondering if anyone was able to shed a bit more light on it, 



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Ty
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#2 Posted : 03 July 2012 15:12:14(UTC)
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Hi Ty



This will be really interesting if it turns out to be correct.

How would you block the head on a scoop or longboard, how could you apply the one use traction splint to an open fracture bearing in mind it is one use only. Love it or hate it I think it will be here to stay but as one use only which is what it should be.



Do CQC inspect the Fire & Rescue Service - No!

All those RTC blankets we use are washed in the same washing machine that does our fire kit!!! Clean yes but was it washed at 60 degree C NO!  And how long was it carried in the locker on the pump before it was used and was it stored in a sealed bag - No.

Do we Clinell our blocks on longboards - what's Clinell?



Hopefully provoked a storm now....
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#3 Posted : 03 July 2012 15:15:34(UTC)
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I have little doubt that some inspector in the CQC would like to see velcro banned.  I don't know in what context you are buying a bag but if for your own use then the CQC don't come into it. If you are buying it for work with an organisation then you need to take there advice.
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#4 Posted : 03 July 2012 20:43:25(UTC)
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Just shows how out of touch the CQC are with pre hospital care, what will you fasten a collar with? most if not all use Velcro, some uniform have Velcro.


When someone has a fractured ankle on a motor cross in the middle of a muddy field are we really going to get uptight about the Velcro on a box splint?


Wake up CQC get real.


  

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#6 Posted : 03 July 2012 21:06:30(UTC)
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For most ambulance services cervical collars are now a "once only" use. Many also now use "once only" head blocks.



Just look at most medical catalogues and see what is now disposable, all for the sake of infection control.  



 I was speaking to a paramedic who had been pulled up because one of his now use only once cervical collar was not in a sealed polythene bag.
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#7 Posted : 03 July 2012 22:20:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cycleresponder Go to Quoted Post
Hi All,



regarding Velcro I have been told that CQC will be outlawing it at some point in the foreseeable future





Perhaps i am a bit behind the times here, but can some one please tell me what is wrong with Velcro? the stuff we have been using successfully for years.......
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#8 Posted : 03 July 2012 23:08:19(UTC)
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Simply, because it is difficult to clean velcro, to a standard that the is acceptable to the infection control "police" 
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#9 Posted : 20 July 2012 20:27:24(UTC)
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Evening All, 



Thanks for your replies and my apologies for not replying sooner just been so caught up in preparing for the Olympics and making sure my team are ready so been traveling around the country a fair bit this last week or so :(



But moving back on to subject basically I guess the real question is are there any complication in using standard household magnets ie fridge magnets and the regulators in Oxygen cylinders I have contacted BOC directly 3 times and still had no answer from them as of yet but I need to let the company producing my bag know in the next couple of weeks what system I want to use. SO dose anyone know of any implications this may cause? 



Regards, 



Ty
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#5 Posted : 25 July 2012 17:24:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TLC Go to Quoted Post

Just shows how out of touch the CQC are with pre hospital care, what will you fasten a collar with? most if not all use Velcro, some uniform have Velcro.


When someone has a fractured ankle on a motor cross in the middle of a muddy field are we really going to get uptight about the Velcro on a box splint?


Wake up CQC get real.








extrication collars are a Single Use item . 



immobilisation collars  such as Aspen  and Vista Collars are Single Patient Use  and the pads and  velcro straps  are changeable / washable SPU items   ( even though the collar itself is SPU )



therefore velcro is a perfectly acceptable  fastener as the collar will be disposed of when it is no longer required. 



Box splints etc  pose  an issue as do the 'head beds'  used with scoops and long extrication boards  as these are not Single use / Single patient use  and it is hard to  properly and adequately  decontaminate  these items  (  where as  blankets and sheets can be put through an infection control approved  wash and dry cycle ) 



the obvious answer with head beds  etc  is to use  the Single use versions commercially available from a number of suppliers  or to move to a velcro like fastener that can be adequately decontaminated.
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