Purple Dog welcome to the forum. When you say "How do we stand"  what do you mean?  



It is reconised that Arborists face I higher risk of severe bleeding often, in remote locations. So provided you teach them from a position of understanding then I don't see any problem.



 

Link to the ARB website some usefull info on it if it helps you



http://www.arbaid.co.uk/content/kit-contents.php



Cheers John

That really is sound advice. Never deliver training with equipment you"ve not used in anger yourself or been trained by someone who has.
Regards

Hi Purple Dog,
where abouts in the Uk are you?

MJ

Hi Admin

Good that ARB have their own training to back up their product. That is where I would direct any person if I were in doubt. Effectively what is in that pack is what is now commonplace in military field medic and PFA packs that have been battlefield tried, tested and developed over the last 10 years.

Updates, well there are always updates, but your patient will always behave differently once you have them off the rope. That tourniquet you applied before the clotting agent and FFD may all be rendered ineffective as the bloodflow is increased to the distall areas after release from suspension - these issues do not just relate to shock and acidosis as the result of circulatory insufficiency.

Acidotic blood clots less effectively, release a legful of that into the system and you will need to revisit everything that you did to the severe injury you treated prior to rescue and release - as well as potentially seeing the clinical picture of your patient change.

The best people to rescue the patient will be colleagues, otherwise you will be waiting an age for HART and fire service rope teams to arrive, have a meeting, get dressed up, have another meeting, then decide its too dangerous and call in cave/mountain rescue. If those colleagues are not told, during training, what to expect when they get the patient on the ground, then they will not expect it and will concentrate on the ABC rather than the CABC or MARCH.

Perhaps suspension trauma was the wrong term to use. Perhaps suspension and post suspension issues/clinical presentation would be a better description. However, in the case of both first aid provision, and indeed the law requiring the management and provision of Health and Safety, there are many things to consider. Considerations beyond first aid provision would include rescue, and those persons having the correct training and permits to work. It is an area or tutorship beyond the majority of even highly competent first aid trainers.

Hi everyone,



I have been intouch with ARB and awaiting a reply. I will ask them all about there training and what there training covers. I am looking at attending their 3 day course.



Thanks once again.



PD 

Hi Everyone,



I would first like to thank you all for your great advice and suggestions.



I have been in touch with A.R.B in Scotland and we had a good chin wag. I explained where is was coming from and what i wanted to do. He was straight forward in say that, " It was more a train the trainer course i needed and at this stage he does not do this. He also mentioned that if i did all the training with him that i could be in direct competition. He has worked hard to develop this product and because of the complexity of the kit, he was reluctant to pass on any training to me, but i did mention for him to quote me for delivering the course down he in Huddersfield. I am waiting now for the quote from him.

Hi,

Ref the CAT Tourniquets that are now carried by ALL military on OPs in Afghan, the use of which is taught on Team Medics courses but otherwise in the field by each other!!!!

The training video supplied with it is useless, but we found that explanation and practise on a dummy arm with fake blood was very effective at getting across the application onto another, we would then get them to do 1 handed application on themselves (with stringent controls in place)!!!!

Hope this helps in some way.

Amanda