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Amaron Offline
#1 Posted : 25 July 2012 12:58:36(UTC)
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Hi all,



Am new to the site and really need some advise. After 13yrs as a Medical Assistant with Royal Navy, i am moving on to explore the world of being a First Aid Instructor.



I am currently in date FAW, hold CTLLS and completed Defence Instructional Techniques 2003 and Defense Train the Trained 2011. I am booked on my First Aid Instructors course with Paeds, defib and assessing in late Sept/early Oct.



Has anyone got any advise on other courses that i may find usefull and also can anyone advise on how reliable being a Freelance instructor is as i have to keep a roof over my head and 2 little mouths to feed lol!!!!!



Any advise would be much appreciated.



Thank you



Amanda
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#2 Posted : 25 July 2012 13:25:03(UTC)
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Dont Bother,
There are some dire paramedics and nurses (there was a nurse here once who used to big herself up all the time) involved in training. Its usually because for whatever reason they can no longer do the job they were originally trained for and try their hand at being an expert.

We don't just teach first aid. We are clinical skills educators. Simple stuff taught well makes for good practice hence everything gets taught minus ego. When you have some idiot asking your students " how long would you leave someone in the recovery position before you turned them over onto the other side (and lost their airway after you put them onto their back which then proceeded to fill with vomit and blood)" and then setting out to fail a student who cannot answer because I have not taught that because this is Ilford, not Iraq and the ambulance will be here presently, then that is where the cookbook first aid trainers end up coming unstuck.

First aid trainers with no experience ask dumb questions. They teach dumb things, and its because of how they interpret, not what they have experienced. As far as they are concerned all Epileptics fit, all Anaphylaxis have big red swollen tongues, you can't give anything sugary to a diabetic in case they are hyper and the sugar might kill them. I have heard so much of this rubbish recently.

Looking at other "good" first aid diktats such as no tourniquation, removing dressings and replacing them because the wound so severe that direct pressure will not manage it so its like taking a slash into the sea, applying triangular bandages to people who refuse to let you touch them, and they will continue to do this sort of nonesence under the auspices of an AO. I do however ask which hat(s) you ask me, as you run a trade association, an insurance broker, a website with a forum, an AO, are mates with the uncontactable FAAMS and are a first aider/instructor.

Like you and your problem with nurses and paramedics being automatically granted position by FAAMS who are not up to the job, I also have issues with people granted instructor status by FAAMS and AO's (or at least not prevented from being so) who are equally not up to the job.

Show me a route, that is enacted in law, that guarantees to one and all that the instructor is competent and the students will benefit, I will sign up. Try and sell me your quango, I will not be interested.
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#3 Posted : 25 July 2012 14:03:22(UTC)
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Amanda,



Apologies for the above post. Doesn't help you in the slightest. Welcome to the forum. There are a lot of instructors working in first aid but if you pm me i'll give you what advise i can. Or, if you give a rough location of where you are I am sure someone in that area would be more than happy to advise you. Or even take you on.
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#4 Posted : 25 July 2012 14:12:07(UTC)
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The problem with first aid training is that it’s an easy business to start. For less than £1,000 you can be up and running. Because of this, the market is saturated with trainers. That is not to say you should not try.


Apart from the obvious, you need to be versed in book-keeping and more importantly in marketing and sales. Most first aid training businesses fail due lack of business accruement not training ability.


Another, area to look at is don’t just train first aid, look at other subjects, manual handling, food hygiene etc.


You could also join an association (ours, the AoFA.org is the largest supported by Royal College of Surgeons, Stroke Assoc etc. We also have an Ofqual recognised Awarding Organisation arm, the AoFAQualifications – the only association with an awarding arm – and we don’t do any training so we are not your competition. Oh and we also do insurance – end of advert).


Give us a call on 01908 610093 – ask for Ann.

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#5 Posted : 25 July 2012 16:56:31(UTC)
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Great advise from admin, your half way there with your CTLLS as you have covered learning styles and assesing which transfers to many training situations and as discussed earlier will stand you in good stead come the revolution (ofqual)

Im ex navy and If you need any advice on the wheres and whats and what I did and the pitfalls I fell into headfirst then feel free to contact me

all I can say is choose your instructors course carefully
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#6 Posted : 27 July 2012 08:28:12(UTC)
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Hi,



Thank you all for your replies, not sure what the first reply was about but have worked as a FA Instructor within the RN since 2003 and employed specifically in that role in 2010 - 2011.



My family and i are remaining in the Plymouth area as he has just been extended!!



Not sure about Book keeping/marketing and sales as i'm looking at becoming a freelance instructor to build up my experience and qualifications in the training/assessing area.  Also becoming an NVQ QCF assessor as well.



I have a course booked with Nuco late Sept/early Oct that will give me Paeds/Defib and first part of the assessors qualification as well as transferring my Defense certs to the civilian world.



I will be joining the AoFA prior to leaving the RN but i am trying to ensure that before i leave the RN in Dec, i am in the best position possible to start working straight away.



Also if anyone is on Linkedin, please feel free to connect with me, i am under Amanda Briggs. It would be esp helpful if you were located in the Plymouth area.



Again, i remain open to advise.



Thank you all



Amanda
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#7 Posted : 27 July 2012 22:05:48(UTC)
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drop me a line and I'll happy give some guidance



calvin@cjgroup.co.uk
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#8 Posted : 28 July 2012 09:23:21(UTC)
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Hi Amanda, welcome to the world of civvies! Agree with what you said about the first post maybe you are on his patch lol

also ex RN but not a scab lifter, i was a dabbaer but have taught this now for 18 years 25 RN 15 RNR. few points, and hope they help, You need to drop jack speak, with ref; to quals they do not know about the way we are taught to teach in the mob. You also do not use those DIT skills in the world of civvies either lol. That said EDIP still works for me.

They like you to have a teaching qual, Cert Ed etc assessing qual A1 A2/D32-33.

FAI, if you were a scablifter and have taught you have no need to pay out for FAI. Having said that, NUCO carry a bit of clout and some employers like you to have been trained by them.

You most definitely need more than one string to your bow. Add on Defib, Peads, moving and handling especially people, you may have covered this kind of stuff in the sickbay world. You can source loads from the care world if you can get into this. also meds etc from care (probs loads you can look at from the sickbay skills). H& S Fire etc too.

Blag as much kit s you can off pusser from annies to med displays lol.

the market is swamped and if you have taught in the pusser you are more that qualified to tech in this world. I have seen some shocking FAI's of so called FAI's !!!! Loads of wannabees!!!!

Ive escaped the rat rasce for the last two years and jumped on the anti piracy bandwagon, but that is now swamped. Take your time and work for some decent training company's and learn the ropes, its a big jump!!! As Im sure you are aware and need to keep the wolf from the door.
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#9 Posted : 28 July 2012 14:37:10(UTC)
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Thanks everyone,

Hadn't even thought about Annies ect (I know, very Niave but will certainly source some lol!!!).

Will be adding on to the assessors qualification to enable me to assess in a class or workplace setting (they are now seperated into 4!!!).

Currently ensuring that my CV is as good as it can be and then will be personally be taking it around all the FA Schools in surrounding area.

Bryn9: Thought Train the Trainer course was able as a civilian instructor course too?? Will be looking into Cert Ed next year and also at getting my NVQ 3 in Health and Social care. This was offered as part of my job, however didn't take it as i never thought i'd be leaving so soon!!!!!

Thank you again

Amanda
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#10 Posted : 29 July 2012 19:45:36(UTC)
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Hi.

Firsdtly, welcome to the forum, I can only appologise for the contents of Privamb2`s post, the tone was quite intimidating ( which I hope was not the intention..... we are here to help!)



God help you trying to set up in Plymouth, its a pit of hell ( unlike others with experience of Plymouth, I am not ex-RN..... but was involved in care sector. hard place to work, little chance of winning the lottery there, it seems a pretty closed shop there!



Certainly diversify! you will not make a living from first aid alone...... I am not going to advise you on qualifications, you have that area covered.



Good luck, if I can help with contacts, let me know.



Again, welcome to the site, we do try to assist all members, regardless of the questions, sometimes it is difficult to word a post brilliantly..... I have that issue.



Can i also remind members we are here to assist each other, if it aint cute, lets stay mute!
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#11 Posted : 30 July 2012 09:57:33(UTC)
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It would be helpful to note that Privamb2 is a troll account set up by young master Tyler in between games on his XBox , who then copied and pasted a reply of mine from another thread onto this one in the hope of purporting to be me. I did ask for the troll accout to be killed off, but so far it has not been done, hence the confusion for those who don't look too closely). A post from that account was also deleted for flaming although I have to say I at least found it amusing. The silly so and so did create his original account in his real name so it was easy to prove he was not a paramedic as he claimed, and he's not been back since he had his fortune read.

In terms of the job opportunities out there, there are many and if Amaron would care to PM me, I can put him/her directly in touch with a medical training company on the South Coast who I am fairly sure would be interested to see a CV.

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