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I may be having difficulty finding my way around, but I can find very little about HSE deregulation, eg:
a. when will it take place?
b. Is there or will there be a consultation on new guidance?
c. what is happening with QCF alternatives?
d. what are the options if QCF not followed?
I am sure all this info is already here and would expect it to be a hot topic! If I have missed it would be grateful for a pointer in the right direction!
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 Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Users, Subscribers Joined: 25/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 100 Points: 300
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Hi and welcome to the forum.
I'll try to give you a straight answer (which is a little difficult because no-one really knows for sure) and in the order asked;
a) The implementation of the Lofstedt report requires a change in legislation and therefore parliamentary time. According to the parliamentary calendar announcements of this type are usually made each October and each April. Therefore as it is likely to be implemented before the end of 2013, you are looking at either October 2012 or April 2013 or October 2013. No one knows yet for sure which date it will be.
b) Consultation on the implimentation has already taken place and Ministers have stated they are 'minded to accept' the recommendations of the Lofstedt report - which, incidentally looked at the workings of the whole HSE not just First Aid.
c) EFAW is already released and runs parallel on the QCF and it is likely that FAW will follow the same route and run parallel prior to deregulation. However there are some machinations happening between the HSE and Ofqual currenly on this issue.
d) The implementation of the Lofsted review only specifies that the HSE should cease the approval and monitoring of training providers. They (HSE) will still be responsible for setting the standard. The onus, as it is now, will be on the employer to ensure the training provided meets the standard. Following the implimentation of Lofsted training providers will be able to train and cetificate statutory first aid courses without recourse to the HSE for approval to do so.
There is another thread on the forum in the same subject however this is a highly contentious issue within the industry and so be aware there are some fairly vitriolic views being expressed. Read the other thread but try to keep an open mind.
Hope I've helped. If you need any further assistance or guidance give me a call in the AoFA office on Tuesday - 01908 610093. I'll be spending Monday with a book and a jug of mint julep in the garden providing its not raining!
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 Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Users, Subscribers Joined: 27/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 96 Points: 288
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Hi All,
Yesterday I was talking to a Member of St Andrews First Aid Training who told me that from January their First Aid at Work courses will not have an independent assessor and will be run with ongoing assessment as per Recertification courses.
They are looking at using the SQA as their regulating body.
I was under the impression that until April the HSE was still in charge then we would be told what was happening.
Is this St Andrews jumping the gun, using a large organisations clout or do they know something that we don`t ?
A Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year to all whatever it brings.
Ian
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If you are HSE approved then you still need assessors for the FAW. From 1st Jan IF you are approved by an Ofqual or SQA Awarding Organisation (AO) and you run the FAW certified by the AO then you do not need an assessor. However, you do need other Quality Assurance in place i.e Internal QA and a visit be a External QA every so often.Overall it should save money. The other thing to note is that the FAW is a EFAW with an additional 2 days. So you could run both courses together with FAW candidates staying on for a further 2 days.
Please give me a call on 01908 610093 if you need any help/ advice.
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Good luck to them I say, with the lack of information from some quarters, they have taken what they see to be a positive approach and done something about it, to be honest, I dont think the HSE will give a toss what anyone does, as they were never that proactive anyway in regards to policing anything to do with first aid Trainers/training. I think that AOs like AoFA is the way forward, because at least they have shown that the correct paperwork and Quals are in place, and have done as much as can be deemed as appropriate IMO. I for one will be glad to see the back of HSE within this field.
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 Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Administrators, Registered Users, Subscribers Joined: 23/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 21,770 Points: 65,322 Location: United Kingdom
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It is natural for existing HSE training provides to compare HSE approval vs Ofqual . They are totally different beasts, the HSE was about the training provider, Ofqual is all about checking outcomes including improvements.
We have always complained that standards needs to be improved, Ofqual will do this and with real teeth.
One thing to remember is that the HSE is only removing approvals from training providers not standards. The responsibility of getting it right will fall on the Employer (Statutory duty) - Can you remember when the responsibility of getting income tax correct was with Inland Revenue? Now the responsibility falls directly on us through Self Assessment. Well, it’s a bit like with employers and first aid training.
A few things you many not know about First Aid, Approvals and Ofqual.
Ofqual does not approve Training Providers – Ofqual approve (and monitor) Awarding Organisations (AOs) The AOs approve and monitor Training Providers (centres).
An Employer choosing an AO centre for their FA training needs will automatically meet their requirements in selecting a suitable training provider. Currently, other ‘Approval’ bodies, Associations, Federations etc that are shooting up will NOT discharge this requirement on the employer and hence should be ignored by the employer. So from a training providers point of view they are a total waste of money and could even be seen as misleading the customer (employer) – Trading Standards anyone??
Ofqual can withdraw approval and fine AOs through statutory powers.
If a training provider (Centre) is found guilty/suspected by an AO of malpractice ( ie. Say forging documents) The AO must inform other AOs - Other AOs are then unlikely to touch you with a bargepole – Bang goes your business!
For first aid, all trainers will, in future (2 years ??) need a formal qualification in teaching/training. Likewise for Internal Quality Assurance.
For a trainee to pass a FAW or EFAW, the trainee must pass ALL competencies, not just the major 4 as with the HSE. Fail one and you fail the course. However, the trainee can retake /be re assessed during the course.
A FAW is a EFAW (one day course) with additional subjects covered in an additional two days.
The Requal FAW is the normal FAW taken in two days as long as you hole a current FAW qualification – there is not a ‘Requalification’ qualification.
Once you are approved by an AO it is easier to expand training into other subjects provided by the AO – i.e food hygiene etc.
You do not need an Assessor for the (Ofqual) FAW.
Food for thought
Out of the main AOs in first aid, the AoFA (AoFA Qualifications) is one of the only AOs that does not have a first aid training business behind the scenes in direct competition with you (common director / Manager/ shareholder). AoFAQ only does training to improve standards for trainer / training providers, we do not do first aid training.
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