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Hi folk
Just done an EFAW in a school. We have been there before, but last time they wanted us, we couldn't do the date. They used someone else.
The staff wanted to check with me today that the treatment for shock that they had been taught on this course was still current, as it had been new to them last time. Apparently, they were taught that the current treatment was to lay the person flat on their back, and with 4 helpers, each one hold an arm or leg and raise them perpendicular to the body
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Come on you Trainers. You know you want to ........
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Sorry but Iv'e already mentioned in a previous post about the standard of some trainers out there !!
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Report him and the company he works for to your LEA health and Safety officer.
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WTF?!
Where do people get their "up to date information" from?
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On a similar vain just done a one day course with 1 student who last did a course 4 years ago and was still taught CPR at 2 breaths then 15 compression's. Also told that they never did a secondary survey of any sort!!!
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Thanks folk. I was beginning to think I had missed something!!!
Report him and the company he works for to your LEA health and Safety officer. Have done so yesterday
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OMG!!!! The only reason I can think for teaching that is if the instructor has got confused about raising a limb if the casualty is bleeding. But it doesn't take long to check the first aid manual if he's not sure what the correct procedure is. Wonder where he got his training to think it was an acceptable technique.
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What is happening? Today was day 1 of a paeds course. One of the candidates was on a course last year run by a household name society that claims to be the leaders in first aid training. She was assured by the two trainers that "breaths have now been dropped from CPR". "What? None at all?" "No, not if you don't want to. Doing compressions only is just as good"
So she is asking me today "When did breaths come back in, or are you still teaching the old method?"
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I get that one regularly in particular from Scout leaders that I train, another trainer who does occasional training had been teaching the no breaths. A quick reference with him to the resus. council guidelines which I now carry with the relevant paragraph highlighted seems to clarify in these circumstances. The Vini Jones advert has highlighted this again.
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My correspondence with the Scouts informs me that Leaders should be taught compressions and breaths according to the current Guidelines. Should they then be unwilling or not able to give breaths then they should give compressions only while waiting for the arrival of the ambulance.
This information is clearly described for the Leaders in the First Response Participant's course book, which every Leader is required to have when they attend a First Response course.
First Response is the name given to the minimum standard of First Aid competence required of all adults who hold a Scouting Appointment.
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I get so sick of having this argument with people, I actually start every course these days with "I don't care what Vinnie Jones said....." and like Tacanman, I carry the guidelines with me.
pjp002 - you are quire right about the First Response course too.
I think this is going to be one of those ongoing myths - like the one about the HSE making you remove plasters from your kit in case of an allergic reaction. I get so sick of that one too.
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I'm all for checking in the Manual when I want to brush up or if I think I might have forgotten something but if a Trainer has to look up scock treatment then it's time he or she looked for another job. What else do these people teach that is wrong?
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I agree with the above 30:2.
However, I do confess to advocating compression only CPR, but only when an AED is on site and can be with the casualty inside of 5 minutes. Intrathoracic pressure remains high and cardiac distention remains low thus providing the best clinical scenario for a successful defibrillation.
Paul
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The dying fly pose for shock treatment....you cannot be serious! the trainer should be shot.
I get around the "no Kissing, you only kiss ya missus on the lips" nonsense by informing my students hat have a duty as qualified first aiders to perform full CPR and then I issue them with two face shields (one for the course and one for the wallet) and train the students on how to use them.
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Maybe they are not aware of what is updated and not updated. EmikoFierros025 says Hi!
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