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I was the medical advisor to the Home Office on the "safer Clubbing" document. I have specifically said in that document that in specialised areas such as drugs&clubs a NHS paramedic and St Jonnies are no good with out the knowledge and background formal qualification doesnt come in to it I have some 1st Aiders I choose to work for me over some paramedics. AND PLEASE P[LEASE DO NOT GET INTO THE DEBATE AS TO WHAT RANK PEOPLE SHOULD BE CALLED !! i employ from 1st aiders up to Dr,s and they are all called simply medics.
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Alongside my Healthcare work, I am a nightclub doorman in Portsmouth. I konw quite a lot about drugs and seen the effects. I have also had the 'benefit' of hands on experience with regards First Aid and drug use. Am I the only person who thinks the ambulance service are somewhat insensitive to drug users and drunks?
As a doorman and HCA, they piss me off too but I still show sensitivity and compassion.
What are your views people?
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Pas please don't swear on the site we've worked hard to ensure it remains as professional as possible without ruining good debates, although swearing is generally accepted some people may find it offensive.
I know the ambulance crews have a lot of calls to casualties who have become injured or ill through self neglect or self harm. It would appear they find it difficult to produce "a plastic smile" for these casualties all the time, but In my experience they still provide professional aid (there will always be an exception to the rule). We have to remember that something that has been the big event of our day will not be a big event for the ambulance crew. Remember all these people are human too and therefore will react differently.
I fully agree with the original posting, The ability to perform the role is the most important thing as long as they have the required knowledge. Titles don't make people efficient.
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Well said debs.
pas you've been told several times (by several people)to watch your language in this forum! Professional, constructive debate is what we are encouraging - NOT abuse or disrespect.
We all know that ambulance crews have a hard job with lots of people causing "self-harm", and just like you in your last postings; they get **** off and make it obvious that that is how they are feeling! Do you not think that they are entitled to feel that way sometimes?
Ultimately should they not be judged on the assistance they give; not on their bedside manner? I know some others people HCA, Medical Students, Dr's etc who have appauling bedside manner also - wouldn't you agree?
Regarding the debate about medics, emt's etc... well that debate has been raging for months in other areas of the forum.
Dannie Houlden - Protec Medical Services (UK) Ltd
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OK guys sorry for my use of language. My upbringing is ovbiously different to others and sometimes what I find acceptable others find offensive.
I will think b4 I type and try to use language more appropriate for a public forum.
But I still find some NHS staff very rude and arrogant. And yes I'm sure you'll say I'm arrogant too but not with patients. And I said SOME not all b4 I get messages about judging.
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Well done PAS that is exactly the attitude we need. I think we all get angry at times, as you have said thinking before we type will help us to say what we intend.
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Hiya Pezfin ,
I agree about qualifications meaning absoloutly nothing without hands on , therefore i also agree with the comment regards working with first aiders and Paramedics. Meaning a persons title does not guarantee there level of knowledge or skill.
To one degree or another though , we need titles , ( i don't think of it as rank ).How else would you roughly be able to determine expected skill level?
If the excited block capitals of your post are in reference to my previous post ref. responders , the only reason i put it in was because there not classed as EMT , but they have had more training than FAAW. ( i'm not on about the basic one Lee).
Just to clarify i'm not hung up on titles , i felt there was a gap that needed filling.
To be honest though , the reason i felt the need to answer was because i disagreed with your end statement.If i rang you to enquire about safety cover , i would want to know who i was hiring and need more info than he / she is a "medic".............fair enough?
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I can only go on personal experience, both in Glasgow, Plymouth and Brum.
Ambulance crews in general are ok if the First Aider/Nurse/Dr knows the game and don`t rip it with them. As for the care of patients, yes there is the belief that Ambualnce crews really hate dealing with those who self abuse on drugs...they take up valuable time in regards to resources and most care staff have a hell of a time due to the amount of abuse when waiting in A&E to be treated.
Pas, mate, you get around don`t you?
Do you have any time for beddie byes?
I also very strongly agree with the vital call for language to be monitored on this site, I believe it has nothing to do with upbringing etc, I come from the rough side of Glasgow, it a cat has a tail, he visits.... no need for it and those who constantly curse could do it when working and certainly is not professional. I know this matter has been dealt with by others,I feel we need to start issuing "yellow and Red cards" as NHS do now to ensure adequate standards.
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