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#1 Posted : 31 October 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Is Glucagel just intended for diabetic treatment or can it be used say instaed of Glucose Sweets.
 

Reason for question is that I carry Glucose sweets in  my FA kit and the packet is always "open". So I thought that maybe single use sachets of Glucagel may be an alternative.
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#2 Posted : 31 October 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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I think i missed something here, what use are glucose sweets except in hypo, and what first aid purpose do they serve?
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#3 Posted : 31 October 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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I guess you're meaning the ones who've been doing more exercise than usual and have come un-prepared with little food and end up feeling a bit shakey.  You don't have to be a diagnosed diabetic for that to happen.
 

If I read you right then I think you'd be wasting your money with Glucagel as the stuff is truly revolting and is unlikely to be accepted after the first suck from the tube.  It's far more expensive than the glucose sweets too!  It may however make them think about the idea of being better prepared in future.
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#4 Posted : 31 October 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Glucagel is no longer used in some hospitals as there were many reported cases of patients asperating on it!
There is indication that it will not raise the blood glucose level by more than 1 mmole/l, which is not really significant.
A better and more pleasant alternative is a small bottle of lucozade
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ghostwriter wrote:
I think i missed something here, what use are glucose sweets except in hypo, and what first aid purpose do they serve?

 

Steve, fair comment. You may know that I work in a school and we frequently have to attend to pupils whose daily diet is a packet of crisps and a tin of coke - they feel very sick & faint. So we give them a couple of glucose sweets to munch with some water which makes them rapidly perk up and hopefully they will get food from the canteen at break times. They get a lecture on the importance of proper meals...........but sometimes its back to the crap diet - sadly.

 

The Glucose sweets are approved by our LA and all FA's and the nurse carry them. I'm popular with many kids because I always carry Lucozade flavour ones!

 

My concern is that they could get contaminated as an open packet in our kits - hence my question about if sachets of Glucagel would be a better alternative.
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#6 Posted : 31 October 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Hypostop, now known as Glucogel is still used and carried by diabetics, and prescribed by hospitals. As mobitz said some people have aspirated on it, this is because it was given to people who were not fully conscious. As we should all know, we do not give anything orally to anyone with an altered conscious level - because they can aspirate. You could use it on non diabetics, but as Phil said, it is revolting and the chances are the pupils wouldn't take it. A glass of milk and 2 digestives do just as good, so could you get some of the individual packets of digestives ( like the ones you get on conferences) Hope that helps.
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#7 Posted : 01 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 01 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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MPH.
Not sure what part of that is utter tripe, I think your comments could be more constructive. I find that comment a bit offensive.

Point 1 glucogel is no longer used in some hosptials
This is true, in the 2 hosptials I work in, the endocrinologist have banned glucagel in favour of lucozade for treatment for the acute (conscious) hypodiabetic.
2 there is indication that it will not raise the blood glucose level by more than 1 mmol/l which is not really significant.
True, scientific studies have proven this.
You say yourself that the aim of acute hypo management is to return the patients blood glucose to normal, and as you say long acting carbs play a part in this.
Glucagel does not play a significant part in normalising blood glucose.
3 A better and more pleasant alternative is a bottle of lucozade
True I would prefere it to hypostop any day!

I would prefere if you asked me for clarificaition on my points rather than saying things like trip.

So Back to the original question, which was not nessesarily the tretment of diabetics.
In athletics there are a few gels that are avaliable and one in particular is called go gell
http://www.fuelsport.co....uctPage.asp?Pro=0300701
It is pure carbohydrate.
Be wary because some gells contain electrolytes which should not be used without proper dietetic advice or medical consult.

Go gels are pure carbohydrate and would work well as a peice of small first aid kit for someone who has just skipped breakfast etc.

Hope this helps
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#9 Posted : 01 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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I don't know of anything which will fit the bill for you Glennjo, however I suggest oyu buy yourself a packet of posh mints which come in a tin. eat the mints then use the tin to hold your glucose tablets. Although they will still be open, they will be protected by the tin. I used to do this when I carried paracetamol around before someone invented foil strip wrapping. (NOT first aid before anyone starts)
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#10 Posted : 01 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Not sure if this is of any use to any one - but if people are interested there is a "brand" of gel that does the same thing as hypostop/glucogel.
 

PERSONALLY FOR ME IT WORKS AS A TYPE 1 DIABETIC - so can't comment for others.

It comes in two really nice flavours (tropica & berry)costd a fraction of the price. Is less sticky and messy.

It can be found/purchased in  DECATHLON sports stores
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#11 Posted : 01 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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  glennjo we use glucose at our Karate club keep them in small plastic clip top tubs similar to 35mm film tubs, keeps them sealed and dry.
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#12 Posted : 02 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Cheers for all the info - I'll get some plastic containers for the Glucose tabs and try some of that Go Gel from Sports shops.
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#13 Posted : 04 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Hi, I work in special school and have a couple of kids who suffer from Hypogleicemia ( not Diabetes) and are prescibed Glucogel for attacks of low blood sugar.
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#14 Posted : 04 November 2007 00:00:00(UTC)
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Yes, that's what we use for the children we have that suffer with congential hypoglycaemia. They will come to the ward having had 2 lots sometimes.

More often than not they have a pituitary disorder and need to keep steroids down, and if they are vomiting can not, and need the glucogel, to keep their levels up and the try and stop the vomiting. ( I know it sounds strange but it works)
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