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Insurance a good or bad thing to have?
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#1 Posted : 19 July 2011 21:17:33(UTC)
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Insurance protects companies and individuals from third party claims. However, having insurance does seem to encourage claims especially where no win no fee solicitors are involved. So is insurance a good or bad thing.



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#2 Posted : 19 July 2011 22:29:19(UTC)
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My own feeling is for most people who just happen to come across an accident they don't need insurance.



I think anybody who is doing first aid as part of an organised activity it is a good thing to have. 



Where it gets interesting is the work situation, especially where the public may be involved. And people like myself who spend a lot of my time at customer locations as part of my work.   
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#3 Posted : 20 July 2011 13:39:56(UTC)
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It’s funny that this comes up now as I was at a meeting with a County Council I provide training for and brought it up on a couple of weeks ago.... some of my candidates had recently been on a FAW course (I was teaching Paediatric) and at the end of the course they were asked by the tutor if they would like to take out indemnity insurance....... I thought this was a disgrace.... If I thought that I had to sell insurance after my teaching I would think that my teaching was inadequate..... It turned out at the meeting the training “company” were present...... Well the “commercial” section was.... “Okay” you might be asking who was it ...... All I will say is they have a white cross on a black background..... The commercial representative explained it was for safety reasons (not income generation)..... Is this the norm? or just in the region I work?.......             

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#4 Posted : 20 July 2011 16:57:21(UTC)
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if Staniforth is referring to St John Ambulance they used to offer insurance to purchase on completion of courses . SJA currently include the cover as part of the course fees due to the requirements by the FSA for those who sell insurance.


http://www.sja.org.uk/sj...mbership-insurance.aspx

Commercial training within SJA is now managed by the Commercial training department , rather than individual counties - this has allowed standardisation of the commercial offering and has removed the need for certain people within the counties to concentrate on Generating Commercial training business rather than supporting Service Delivery and the Charitable Objectives.

CTD is not a seperate company , neither did CTD come around due to pressure from the Charity Commissioners , all it is is a change in reporting lines to NHQ - which has meant that the County Executive / County Manger in the CHQs is now responsible for 'business support' to Service Delivery , Membership and Volunteering and SJYouth rather than being the manager of commercial trainers .

As usual for the FAC never let the truth get in the way of libelling SJA .
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#5 Posted : 20 July 2011 21:33:03(UTC)
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We also sell this type of insurance to trainers for their learners. It gives a degree of confidence when dealing with Samaritan situations. However, we would be against trainers exaggerating the risk of litigation in this instance.

Insurance costs about £6 or £7 pounds, at this price it gives an indication as to the risks involved.

Adding free insurance can be a great marketing strategy, and can help you keep prices high when completing with ’bottom’ feeders.
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#6 Posted : 21 July 2011 13:38:15(UTC)
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Thank you MPH for clarifying my query......very comprehensive answers..... (I wonder why this SJA trainer was selling extra insurance and also at the meeting I was at why the commercial representatives didn’t pick up on it and say something?)........  What my concern is about insurance is that we all know that no insurance company would ever “pay up” if you did something wrong.... a bit like leaving your car door unlocked and if someone stole you are not covered.....(could give faults sense of security) ...... just a foot note: I would never knock the SJA volunteers as I have worked alongside a lot over the years covering events (after all I was being paid and they only got expensive).... But the commercial representatives I have come across seem not to know the importance of why the majority of SJA volunteers joined.....     

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#7 Posted : 22 July 2011 19:21:26(UTC)
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I am not sure I really understand this topic, why would the student need insurance?

If all they are doing is acting in good faith within their training limits then surely it would be impossible to pursue a case against them.



If they thought they could go and buy entonox on ebay and start dishing it out whenever they wanted then surely no insurance provider would pay out a claim as they are operating outside of their skillset?



If their first aid skills are so bad that they are a danger to others then surely the training provider will be pursued for passing such a character?



I can vaugely understand the sense of security issue which insurance might bring, but personally I feel the same level can easily be achieved by explaining the legal implications with regards to helping others and by instilling confidence in the students with praise and positive encouragement.
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#9 Posted : 22 July 2011 19:27:35(UTC)
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OK, just noticed the thread is about business insurance not individuals.


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#10 Posted : 23 July 2011 07:15:03(UTC)
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this is about individual insurance, as SJA bundle with a good few courses and as Dave has said can be bundled with AoFA accredited courses ...

it';s a good deal for the insurer even with small premiums ...
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#11 Posted : 06 October 2011 07:39:01(UTC)
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Within British Law there is the "Good samaritan principle" that is there to stop people like First Aiders being sued providing they have done the right things within their skill set.



This was highlighted by Lord Young in his report on Health and Safety published in October 2010, he said that it was unfortunate that so few people knew about, or understood that the Good Samaritan Principle was there to protect people who were trying to help others, part of his recommendations were that the principle should go through legislation to ensure that people knew about it.



If you have done the wrong things then the Good Samaritan Principle will not protect you, but then neither will having insurance as no insurance company will pay out if you have done the wrong thing.



I think that we should not be looking at the question of should we have insurance, what we should be doing is lobbying to have that aspect of the Lord Young report looked at and action taken, so that we are all protected by the law from erroneous claims.
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#8 Posted : 11 October 2011 17:49:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marty B Go to Quoted Post
I am not sure I really understand this topic, why would the student need insurance?

If all they are doing is acting in good faith within their training limits then surely it would be impossible to pursue a case against them.



If they thought they could go and buy entonox on ebay and start dishing it out whenever they wanted then surely no insurance provider would pay out a claim as they are operating outside of their skillset?



If their first aid skills are so bad that they are a danger to others then surely the training provider will be pursued for passing such a character?



I can vaugely understand the sense of security issue which insurance might bring, but personally I feel the same level can easily be achieved by explaining the legal implications with regards to helping others and by instilling confidence in the students with praise and positive encouragement.




Extremely well said!
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