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MIST vs SAMPLE vs some others in the great handover debate!
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#1 Posted : 06 January 2012 21:22:08(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

I am interested in gauging opinion on the best Handover techniques people have come across. Personally, I think MIST is great for trauma, and a SAMPLE is good for medical emergencies but are there any better ones out there? 

For those not in the know:



Mechanism for injury

Injuries found & suspected

Signs

Treatment given 



Signs & Symptoms

Allergies

Medications

Past pertinent history

Last oral intake, liquid & solid

Events leading to the incident



I feel SBAR a little to loose and open to interpretation but it would be nice to gauge opinion.

Cheers!



John 
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#2 Posted : 06 January 2012 21:49:56(UTC)
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SAMPLER and PQRSTA are your patient assessment criteria. MIST is your immediate handover information, followed up by history not covered. ie MIST

This is John

M Front seat unrestrained passenger in a car that hit a tree at 40 MPH. Intrusion into the passenger compartment

I Injuries top to toe - Laceration above R eyebrow. # L Clavicle, R sided Tension Pneumotorax, Eviscerated Testicle, #ankle

S Signs and Symptoms. Reduced conciousness, difficulty in breathing, pain 9/10. Pale, Tachycardic, Tachypnoe

T Treatment. Immobilised, O2, Pain relief O2, Decmpressed chest.


Hand over

Speak to hand over nurse

Signs and Symptoms - as reported

Allergies - Penicillin, Halothane anaesthesia gas

Medications - Viagra, Statins, Atenolol

PMH - Hypertention, high cholsterol, impotence

Last Meal - KFC

Events leading up to - trashed car into tree

Risk factors - fat, old, smokes, drinks, has alcohol in his blood.

Your patient, can I assist or may I go





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#3 Posted : 09 January 2012 15:42:21(UTC)
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John sounds like he is having a bad day! Thanks for your input.
Does anybody else want to weigh in on this?
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#4 Posted : 09 January 2012 16:14:46(UTC)
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I have found different hospitals/ ambulance services all seem to want different things from a handover.



I am not even sure if it is the actual NHS trust that seem to veary or just the staff though.



I can understand if I just happen to come across an accident and the crew don't know me from Adam, but that shouldn't apply when working, but sadly it does sometimes.
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#5 Posted : 17 February 2012 16:54:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: speckles Go to Quoted Post
I have found different hospitals/ ambulance services all seem to want different things from a handover.



I am not even sure if it is the actual NHS trust that seem to veary or just the staff though.



I can understand if I just happen to come across an accident and the crew don't know me from Adam, but that shouldn't apply when working, but sadly it does sometimes.





I am looking up literature on this at the moment, I would like to do my Msc. dissertation on the topic. Would really appreciate it if you could supply me with the literature you mention. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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#6 Posted : 20 February 2012 12:17:39(UTC)
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I use both SAMPLE & MIST when teaching first aid.  Sadly, on many occasions when I have been in a position to be giving first aid in the street and have been trying to hand over to an ambulance crew I have found them unwilling to listen and treating me like all the other "wilderbeasts" as they call members of the public, so neither has mattered! Only once have I been complimented on my handover.
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#7 Posted : 21 February 2012 20:43:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wiccan Go to Quoted Post
I use both SAMPLE & MIST when teaching first aid.  Sadly, on many occasions when I have been in a position to be giving first aid in the street and have been trying to hand over to an ambulance crew I have found them unwilling to listen and treating me like all the other "wilderbeasts" as they call members of the public, so neither has mattered! Only once have I been complimented on my handover.





Hmmm... never heard of that term and I have worked for a couple of ambulance services...



A decent crew will always listen to a handover, but then again I have had crews take patients from me and completely fail to listen to my handover, so go figure! (Full time paramedic RRV driver...)



Most universities teach the SAMPLE for the history and the PQRST for pain as it is an easy to remember system.
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#8 Posted : 22 February 2012 12:57:23(UTC)
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May be "wilderbeast" is just a North West Ambulance thing then.  I have just done a 5 day Advanced First Aid course with them and the paramedic instructor referred to members of the public as Wilderbeasts for the whole 5 days. May be it is just him!



Sorry if I generalised too much Deek.
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